An American Story #4: Immigrant Charles (Carl) Stice and the Mammoth Caves of Kentucky

Immigrant:  Charles Carl Stice, My Fifth Great Grandfather

Please do your own research and do not assume I’m correct.

1st Generation:  Our Stice Immigrant:  Charles (Carl) Stice (Steiss) was born in Alsace, Lorraine, Germany (now France) in 1745. Germany is not an ethnicity that shows up on my DNA, however I do have a trace (abt 4%) of Europe West (which includes Germany)…but a certain J Ray Stice, (my 5th cousin 1x removed), signed before notary that he was told by elders that our people “originated in Scotland, migrated to Ireland, England, Germany and Holland before coming to America”. I do have 40% Great Britain ethnicity…which includes England, Scotland, and Wales.

According to the internet, Stice is an Americanized (English) spelling of the German surname Steiss. (more on this below).

He traveled to America on a ship called “The Nancy” from Rottingham, Holland to the Port of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1754.  He would have been about the age of 9 years! Traveling alone??  There was an asterisk by his name, (Charles Steiss…but Charles Stys on the Captain’s List), without an explanation.  Perhaps it meant “orphaned” or “minor” or “indentured for passage “.   Some speculate that he may have worked out his passage to Pennsylvania….which was highly populated with emigrants from Germany.

alsace lorraine france map

Lorraine: ” an old province in the North-East of France. In ancient times this name was applied to the countries of Germany and the Netherlands, northward to the mouth of the Rhine.  For more on Alsace, see:

http://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2010/07/alsacelorraine-genealogy-basics.html

The following quote is found at:  http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/THAMES/2006-07/1153884916

The German immigration: 1708-1750
In 1708 a heavy migration began to pour into Pennsylvania from Alsace, Lorraine, Swabia, Baden, and Wurttemburg, and especially from the Rhenish Palatinate and Switzerland. These settlers, mostly Mennonites and Dunkers (Dunkards or German Baptist Brethren), came to be called Palatines. They left their homes at this particular moment because the armies of England and France, fighting the War of the Spanish Succession, had utterly devastated their country between 1704 and 1708. If this was the immediate cause, it was also the culmination of a century of misery for farmers of the Rhineland. The Thirty Years War, from 1618 to 1648, raged so fiercely in this valley that its original population all but disappeared. French King Louis XIV invaded the Palatinate and laid waste its fields in 1674, 1680, and 1689. When England began to contest the French, these two countries fought their battles in Germany. The armies wiped out towns, obliterated villages, and repeatedly stole or destroyed the crops of the surviving peasants. Thus the great German trek to Pennsylvania was a flight of war refugees.

In 1749 alone the new German arrivals at Philadelphia numbered 8,778. As the German communities became settled and the prospects of a newcomer finding familiar churches and fellow countrymen increased, the type of immigration changed. It was no longer necessary, for safety and companionship, that a whole congregation move at once. After 1730 more and more Germans signed for passage privately as indentured servants, in the expectation of finding a place among their own people in the Pennsylvania Dutch country. 

The following from the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. “German Settlement in Pennsylvania”

“German immigrants tended to come in family units.  One historian described the typical German immigrant as a poor farmer or artisan who arrived around 1750 with a wife and two children. They were most likely in debt for the passage across the Atlantic but had family or friends already settled in America. They were affiliated with the Lutheran or
Reformed church but only loosely committed to an organized religion. Records
indicate that they became prosperous members of the community. However, many
were too poor to pay the transatlantic passage so as many as one-half to two-third
of German immigrants came to Pennsylvania as indentured servants or
redemptioners, as Germans called them. Immigrants would pay back the ship owner for their passage and expenses by contracting their services to an employer
for a set number of years, usually between two to seven years. When their term of
service was completed, their indebtedness was “redeemed.” Conditions varied for
indentured servants and families could be separated for years.”

Once in America, it is said by some that Charles worked out his passage as an apprentice to a “miller” (someone who operates a grain mill) for 8 years. When he finished his apprenticeship he would’ve been abt 17 years old.  It appears he left Pennsylvania by the time he was 18, where he received a Land Grant of 150 acres in Craven County, South Carolina. If I’m understanding it correctly the borders between South Carolina and North Carolina were being adjusted during this time. He probably followed the Great Philadelphia Wagon Trail into the Carolinas.

philadelphia wagon road

A couple of years later (age 20) he married Katron (Catherine) Collins. Eventually Charles and his family were living in what is now called Rutherford County, North Carolina.

His granddaughter Nancy Green Stice wrote the following about Immigrant Charles Stice and Catherine (Collins) Stice:  “Grandpa and Grandma Stice came from Germany, and belonged to the nobility.  They were Methodists.

Charles Stice was soon farming his own land and eventually built his own Grist Mill. He and Catherine would have a total of twelve children.

In 1799 Charles sold his land, after living in North Carolina for thirty years, and the family moved to Kentucky, where Charles died in 1801.

Lifeline of Immigrant Charles Carl Stice:

1745:  Born in Alsace, Lorraine, Germany (now France)

1754:  Age abt 9. Arrived at Port of Philadelphia in America. Listed on Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Early Census Index.  He was indentured or apprenticed to a “miller” until the age of 17.

 1763: Age abt 18.  Charles Styce obtained a land grant from King Charles III of England for 150 acres on branch of Bullock’s Creek in Craven County, South Carolina.  There are no other records of him in South Carolina. “It was bounded on all sides by vacant land”. In order to obtain this grant he had to renounce Germany and become a citizen of England.  After doing this it appears he changed the spelling of his name to the English version: Stice.

1765: Age abt 20 years. He married Katron “Caty” Collins in North Carolina.

1766 – 1768:  Rowan County, North Carolina. It is thought by some that son Andrew, and daughter Katron were born in Rowan County. In 1789 Andrew Stice married in Rowan County, NC.  I bring this up only because I wonder if they were acquainted with our Phelps and Wainscott relatives who were living in Rowan County, at that time. Perhaps they even traveled together to Warren County, Kentucky, where a William Phelps witnessed Immigrant Charles Stice’s Will in 1801.

1769:  Tyron County, North Carolina Court of Pleas & Quarter Sessions, Charles Stice was ordered by the Justices to serve as overseer on a section of road.  “…from Bullock’s Creek to the south line”.

About Tryon County; it is a “former” County in North Carolina that no longer exists. However, due to inaccurate and delayed surveying, it included a large area of northwestern South Carolina.

1774:  Age abt 29 years. He paid a triple tax in Tryon County, North Carolina to presumably avoid serving in the Revolutionary War, which was permissible for those of certain religious beliefs. He had 250 acres of land, 4 horses, and some cattle. He already had at least five children at this time.  In 1775, Tyron County residents had formed a Committee of Safety to provide security for the settlers.

1778:  Age abt 33 years:  Permission was granted to him to build a grist mill on his property in Tyron County, North Carolina along with an unknown, *John Henry Stice..(a brother or cousin? See note below).  Tyron is a former county of North Carolina, most of it is now in northwestern South Carolina. This mill became a landmark of the area and carries the name, Stice Shoals Dam, to this day on the First Broad River in Shelby, Cleveland County, North Carolina. (County borders and names continued changing).  Grist mills were used to grind grain into flour. The dam today is owned by Duke Power.

stice shoal dam
Stice Shoals Dam in Shelby, Cleveland, North Carolina on First Broad River.  Map by MyTopo.com

1782 – 1799:  Age abt 37-54 years. Rutherford County, North Carolina Census Records.

1790:  Age abt 45 years. The first Federal Census in America.  Charles Stice is listed in Rutherford County, North Carolina with his family. Listed are 2 males under 16 (sons, Peter and David?) and 2 males over 16, (Immigrant Charles Carl Stice, Sr and son, Charles Stice, Jr. Also, 6 females, (wife, Caty, and possible daughters Rebecca, Esther, Ruth Ann, Elizabeth, and Katron).

1797:  Age abt 52 years. Trips to Kentucky. Some speculate that the family didn’t leave until after the sell of the property in North Carolina in 1799.  However, they may have gone at least once before the sale of land to investigate their opportunities. Some of their grandchildren appear to have been born in Kentucky before 1799.

1797/98:  Daughter Katron Stice was killed by Indians on the trip from North Carolina to Kentucky.  She was 33 years old.  It is said that all of her seven children were also killed.

1799:  After 30 years in North Carolina, Charles sold 240 acres of land and left with a group where he settled on the Green River near Brownsville, Kentucky.  This is the Mammoth Cave area of Kentucky, in Warren County. Mammoth Cave is the longest cave system in the WORLD!  With 405 surveyed miles…so far.

Native Americans discovered the caves about 4,000 years ago and continued to use it for about 2,000 years.  In the late 1790’s it was rediscovered by settlers. During the War of 1812 slaves mined saltpeter from the caves to make gunpowder.  Tours began in 1816. Over a century of private ownership and then in 1926 the government formed the National Park.  What a place to explore!!

mammouth cave two

12 Jul 1799:  Immigrant Charles Stice and son Andrew Stice, both purchased property at the Green River at Warren County, Kentucky…near Brownsville, Edmonson County, Kentucky.

1800:  2nd Census of Kentucky lists Immigrant Charles Stice, Sr as well as sons Charles, Jr and Andrew.

21 Aug 1801:  Immigrant Charles Stice, Sr died at Bowling Green, Warren, Kentucky at the age of abt 56 years.  His Will was dated 26 Feb 1801 and signed Carl Stys.  Will was witnessed by: William Phelps, Philip Jones, William Forkner and executed by wife Caty and Mastin Elmore (his son-in-law married to daughter Elizabeth,).  See my blog post:  Who is William Phelps…Witness to Charles Stice’s Will.  The Stice family had intermarried with the Phelps of Kentucky, as well as the Jones and the Webb families. See copy of Will at:

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stice/mrk/aqwg01.htm

I wonder what happened that Immigrant Charles Stice should have died so young? He left his familiar home of thirty years in Rutherford County, North Carolina, and made the adventurous move to Kentucky at the age of 54. His daughter and her children were killed…and then he only lived a couple of years in his new home before his death. He left behind a few children still living at home, Sarah Stice (8), Rebecca Stice (12), Peter James Stice (14), Easter Stice (16), David Stice (19).  All of his children has some history in the State of Kentucky.

Katron or Catherine (Collins) Stice married again after the death of her husband, Immigrant Charles Carl Stice.  She married James Long on 11 May 1802 at the age of 57 years, and had no children with him. However, the James Long family would eventually marry into the line of Mary Stice, daughter of the Immigrant and Katron or Catherine (Collins).

2nd Generation:  DNA connections to date… through Ancestry.com in red.

  1. Philip Stice:  Born abt 1760 and died abt 1825.  He married Mary Haynes, daughter of William Presley Haynes and Sarah Gibbs in 1780 in Kentucky. They had eleven children. He was also the owner of one slave. In 1810 (his father had died in 1801 in Kentucky) he is again living in Rutherford County, North Carolina while most of his siblings are living in Kentucky. The family story is that he died enroute to Kentucky from North Carolina. According to some research: There is supposedly another Philip Stice (perhaps related, but not the son of the Immigrant Charles Stice), living near to our Stice family in Warren County, NC. (See note below *)
  2.  Mary Stice:  Born abt 1764 and died 1855 in Kentucky. She married John/Jonas Haynes, son of William Presley Haynes and Sarah Gibbs. John served in the Revolutionary War. They had ten children.
  3. Katron Stice: Born abt 1769 in Rowan County, NC and died abt 1800 in Kentucky.  She married William Collins.   “Grandpa Stice had one daughter, Katron Stice, who married William Collins in Kentucky and had seven children. The Indians broke out and killed his wife and all the children.”  From what I understand it was while enroute to Kentucky.                    http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stice/mrk/aqwg05.htm
  4. Andrew Stice:  Born 1770 in Rowan County, NC and died 1817 in Collinsville, Madison, Illinois.  He married Nancy Green Wilson in 1789 in Rowan County, NC and were the parents of thirteen children. Andrew was a Predestination Baptist. No musical instruments allowed in Church service…only voice.  This denomination was also called, “Hard Shell Baptist”.
    .   “Then my father (Andrew Stice) took a notion to go to old Kentucky, to what is now called Warren County, near Bowling Green on Green River. They traveled on pack horses, there being in all about twenty-five men and women. Andrew Stice’s,
    younger brother came with them.”   “A History of her Family” by Nancy Green Stice Bond, dated 4 Apr 1904.                                                                                   http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stice/mrk/aqwg05.htm
  5. Elizabeth Stice:  Born abt 1772 in North Carolina and died in 1860 in Edmonson County, Kentucky.  She married Mastin Elmore.  It is speculated that she died having no children.
  6. Charles Stice II:  Born 31 Mar 1775 in Rutherford County, NC and died 31 Jan 1827 in Owen, Kentucky.  He married Mary “Polly” Baker.  They had nine children.
  7. Ruth Ann Stice:  Born abt 1776 in Rutherford County, NC.  I have read some research that states she died at the age of 16 in Warren County, Kentucky (that would be 1792?).  However, SticeWeb shows she died in 1861 in Edmonson County, Kentucky and married James Reuben Alexander and had nine children.  Also, that she married again in 1817 to John Franklin Bullock in Warren County, Kentucky and also had children with him.
  8. David Stice:  Born 1782 in Rutherford County, NC and died 1854 in Edmonson County, Kentucky. David was 19 years old and unmarried at the death of his father in 1801. He married Sarah McCracken in 1802 and they had four children. Sarah “Sallie” McCracken was one of two orphans that traveled with the Stice Family by foot and pack horse to Kentucky abt 1799/1800.   At the death of Sarah McCracken’s brother, Hugh McCracken, their sons (Hugh McCracken Stice and James Stice) received property.
  9. Easter Stice:  Born abt 1782 in Rutherford County, North Carolina and died abt 1855 in Iowa. She was 16 years old and unmarried when her father died. It is said she was born on Easter Sunday and that is how she came by her name.  On some Census sheets it is listed as Esther.  She married William Simmons in 1804 at Warren County, Kentucky and had thirteen children.  Like her brother, Peter James Stice, she lived some of her life in Missouri.  They lived in Howard County, Missouri for one year and then in Boone County, Missouri for eight years. They then moved to Illinois…then back to Warren County, Kentucky and then back to Illinois in the town of Galena, Jo Daviess County.  She died and was buried in Iowa.
  10. Peter James Stice, SrMy 4th Great Grandfather.  Born 25 Jan 1787 in Rutherford County, North Carolina and died 8 Oct 1877 in Washougal, Clark, Washington at the age of 91.  He was fourteen years old when his father Charles Stice died.  He married 1) Charlotte Wainscott on 23 Jan 1807 in Gallatin County, Kentucky when he was abt 20. Her parents were Abraham Wainscott and Mary Wollum.  They had eleven children in all. Charlotte died in Florida, Ralls County, Missouri (birthplace of Mark Twain) in 1826, at the age of 37.  The Wainscott family has ancestry that includes Daniel Boone and Morgan Bryan.
    peter james stice, sr
    Peter James Stice, Sr.

    Peter married 2) to Malinda Phelps in 1827 in Ralls County, Missouri. Her parentage is unknown, but she is probably related to the Phelps family they were associated with in Kentucky and perhaps even to Ezekiel Phelps. She was born 1804 in Kentucky and died in 1864 in Clark County, Washington at the age of 60.  They had five children together.   See my Blog Post:   “Children of Peter Jame Stice...”

    Malinda Phelps Stice
    Malinda (Phelps) Stice 1853 probably enroute to Washington. Photo posted on Ancestry.com by Ronald Zook

    Peter James Stice was the father of 19 children, 101 grandchildren, and 50 great grandchildren.  He left Missouri/Iowa for the State of Washington in abt 1852.  Early pioneers of that State.  He must’ve been an adventurous man.

  11. Rebecca Stice:  Born abt 1789 in Rutherford County, NC and died bef 1855 in Scott County, Illinois. She was twelve at the death of her father in 1801. In 1812 she married James Ethel and they had six children.
  12. Sarah Sallie Stice: Born 1791 in Rutherford County, NC and died 17 Aug 1860 in Edmonson County, Kentucky.  She married 1) James Ruben Sargent in 1807 and together they had four children.  At James’ death she married again to 2) Hugh Heath in 1821 and they had four children.

The Vinson Family Tree at Ancestry.Com gives us a very well researched life of Charles Stice and Descendants.  Also, Stice Web – Descendants of Charles Stice.  We owe much to Merlin and Carolyn Stice Kitchen who have provided detailed information about our family on RootsWeb.  See:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=sticeweb&id=I3425

*John Henry Stice..(a brother or cousin?)….and “There is supposedly another Philip Stice (perhaps related, but not the son of the Immigrant Charles Stice), living near to our Stice family in Warren County, NC.”….perhaps this Philip Stice is the son of the unknown John Henry Stice???

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Author: Belvidene

I am first...a follower of Jesus Christ. He is my reality. I am the widow of an Architect and the mother of a beautiful daughter. I have three wonderful grandchildren. I have lived in Nebraska, Illinois and in Wisconsin. My hobbies are studying the Holy Scriptures and researching early Church history, organic architecture and living "simplistic and minimalistic". I'm interested in genealogy and all that goes with it....history of our country, etc. ; the UFO phenomenon through Christian lenses and seeing God's Prophetic Word come to pass.

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