An American Story #4: Immigrant Charles (Carl) Stice and the Mammoth Caves of Kentucky

Immigrant:  Charles Carl Stice, My Fifth Great Grandfather

Please do your own research and do not assume I’m correct.

1st Generation:  Our Stice Immigrant:  Charles (Carl) Stice (Steiss) was born in Alsace, Lorraine, Germany (now France) in 1745. Germany is not an ethnicity that shows up on my DNA, however I do have a trace (abt 4%) of Europe West (which includes Germany)…but a certain J Ray Stice, (my 5th cousin 1x removed), signed before notary that he was told by elders that our people “originated in Scotland, migrated to Ireland, England, Germany and Holland before coming to America”. I do have 40% Great Britain ethnicity…which includes England, Scotland, and Wales.

According to the internet, Stice is an Americanized (English) spelling of the German surname Steiss. (more on this below).

He traveled to America on a ship called “The Nancy” from Rottingham, Holland to the Port of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1754.  He would have been about the age of 9 years! Traveling alone??  There was an asterisk by his name, (Charles Steiss…but Charles Stys on the Captain’s List), without an explanation.  Perhaps it meant “orphaned” or “minor” or “indentured for passage “.   Some speculate that he may have worked out his passage to Pennsylvania….which was highly populated with emigrants from Germany.

alsace lorraine france map

Lorraine: ” an old province in the North-East of France. In ancient times this name was applied to the countries of Germany and the Netherlands, northward to the mouth of the Rhine.  For more on Alsace, see:

http://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2010/07/alsacelorraine-genealogy-basics.html

The following quote is found at:  http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/THAMES/2006-07/1153884916

The German immigration: 1708-1750
In 1708 a heavy migration began to pour into Pennsylvania from Alsace, Lorraine, Swabia, Baden, and Wurttemburg, and especially from the Rhenish Palatinate and Switzerland. These settlers, mostly Mennonites and Dunkers (Dunkards or German Baptist Brethren), came to be called Palatines. They left their homes at this particular moment because the armies of England and France, fighting the War of the Spanish Succession, had utterly devastated their country between 1704 and 1708. If this was the immediate cause, it was also the culmination of a century of misery for farmers of the Rhineland. The Thirty Years War, from 1618 to 1648, raged so fiercely in this valley that its original population all but disappeared. French King Louis XIV invaded the Palatinate and laid waste its fields in 1674, 1680, and 1689. When England began to contest the French, these two countries fought their battles in Germany. The armies wiped out towns, obliterated villages, and repeatedly stole or destroyed the crops of the surviving peasants. Thus the great German trek to Pennsylvania was a flight of war refugees.

In 1749 alone the new German arrivals at Philadelphia numbered 8,778. As the German communities became settled and the prospects of a newcomer finding familiar churches and fellow countrymen increased, the type of immigration changed. It was no longer necessary, for safety and companionship, that a whole congregation move at once. After 1730 more and more Germans signed for passage privately as indentured servants, in the expectation of finding a place among their own people in the Pennsylvania Dutch country. 

The following from the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. “German Settlement in Pennsylvania”

“German immigrants tended to come in family units.  One historian described the typical German immigrant as a poor farmer or artisan who arrived around 1750 with a wife and two children. They were most likely in debt for the passage across the Atlantic but had family or friends already settled in America. They were affiliated with the Lutheran or
Reformed church but only loosely committed to an organized religion. Records
indicate that they became prosperous members of the community. However, many
were too poor to pay the transatlantic passage so as many as one-half to two-third
of German immigrants came to Pennsylvania as indentured servants or
redemptioners, as Germans called them. Immigrants would pay back the ship owner for their passage and expenses by contracting their services to an employer
for a set number of years, usually between two to seven years. When their term of
service was completed, their indebtedness was “redeemed.” Conditions varied for
indentured servants and families could be separated for years.”

Once in America, it is said by some that Charles worked out his passage as an apprentice to a “miller” (someone who operates a grain mill) for 8 years. When he finished his apprenticeship he would’ve been abt 17 years old.  It appears he left Pennsylvania by the time he was 18, where he received a Land Grant of 150 acres in Craven County, South Carolina. If I’m understanding it correctly the borders between South Carolina and North Carolina were being adjusted during this time. He probably followed the Great Philadelphia Wagon Trail into the Carolinas.

philadelphia wagon road

A couple of years later (age 20) he married Katron (Catherine) Collins. Eventually Charles and his family were living in what is now called Rutherford County, North Carolina.

His granddaughter Nancy Green Stice wrote the following about Immigrant Charles Stice and Catherine (Collins) Stice:  “Grandpa and Grandma Stice came from Germany, and belonged to the nobility.  They were Methodists.

Charles Stice was soon farming his own land and eventually built his own Grist Mill. He and Catherine would have a total of twelve children.

In 1799 Charles sold his land, after living in North Carolina for thirty years, and the family moved to Kentucky, where Charles died in 1801.

Lifeline of Immigrant Charles Carl Stice:

1745:  Born in Alsace, Lorraine, Germany (now France)

1754:  Age abt 9. Arrived at Port of Philadelphia in America. Listed on Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Early Census Index.  He was indentured or apprenticed to a “miller” until the age of 17.

 1763: Age abt 18.  Charles Styce obtained a land grant from King Charles III of England for 150 acres on branch of Bullock’s Creek in Craven County, South Carolina.  There are no other records of him in South Carolina. “It was bounded on all sides by vacant land”. In order to obtain this grant he had to renounce Germany and become a citizen of England.  After doing this it appears he changed the spelling of his name to the English version: Stice.

1765: Age abt 20 years. He married Katron “Caty” Collins in North Carolina.

1766 – 1768:  Rowan County, North Carolina. It is thought by some that son Andrew, and daughter Katron were born in Rowan County. In 1789 Andrew Stice married in Rowan County, NC.  I bring this up only because I wonder if they were acquainted with our Phelps and Wainscott relatives who were living in Rowan County, at that time. Perhaps they even traveled together to Warren County, Kentucky, where a William Phelps witnessed Immigrant Charles Stice’s Will in 1801.

1769:  Tyron County, North Carolina Court of Pleas & Quarter Sessions, Charles Stice was ordered by the Justices to serve as overseer on a section of road.  “…from Bullock’s Creek to the south line”.

About Tryon County; it is a “former” County in North Carolina that no longer exists. However, due to inaccurate and delayed surveying, it included a large area of northwestern South Carolina.

1774:  Age abt 29 years. He paid a triple tax in Tryon County, North Carolina to presumably avoid serving in the Revolutionary War, which was permissible for those of certain religious beliefs. He had 250 acres of land, 4 horses, and some cattle. He already had at least five children at this time.  In 1775, Tyron County residents had formed a Committee of Safety to provide security for the settlers.

1778:  Age abt 33 years:  Permission was granted to him to build a grist mill on his property in Tyron County, North Carolina along with an unknown, *John Henry Stice..(a brother or cousin? See note below).  Tyron is a former county of North Carolina, most of it is now in northwestern South Carolina. This mill became a landmark of the area and carries the name, Stice Shoals Dam, to this day on the First Broad River in Shelby, Cleveland County, North Carolina. (County borders and names continued changing).  Grist mills were used to grind grain into flour. The dam today is owned by Duke Power.

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Stice Shoals Dam in Shelby, Cleveland, North Carolina on First Broad River.  Map by MyTopo.com

1782 – 1799:  Age abt 37-54 years. Rutherford County, North Carolina Census Records.

1790:  Age abt 45 years. The first Federal Census in America.  Charles Stice is listed in Rutherford County, North Carolina with his family. Listed are 2 males under 16 (sons, Peter and David?) and 2 males over 16, (Immigrant Charles Carl Stice, Sr and son, Charles Stice, Jr. Also, 6 females, (wife, Caty, and possible daughters Rebecca, Esther, Ruth Ann, Elizabeth, and Katron).

1797:  Age abt 52 years. Trips to Kentucky. Some speculate that the family didn’t leave until after the sell of the property in North Carolina in 1799.  However, they may have gone at least once before the sale of land to investigate their opportunities. Some of their grandchildren appear to have been born in Kentucky before 1799.

1797/98:  Daughter Katron Stice was killed by Indians on the trip from North Carolina to Kentucky.  She was 33 years old.  It is said that all of her seven children were also killed.

1799:  After 30 years in North Carolina, Charles sold 240 acres of land and left with a group where he settled on the Green River near Brownsville, Kentucky.  This is the Mammoth Cave area of Kentucky, in Warren County. Mammoth Cave is the longest cave system in the WORLD!  With 405 surveyed miles…so far.

Native Americans discovered the caves about 4,000 years ago and continued to use it for about 2,000 years.  In the late 1790’s it was rediscovered by settlers. During the War of 1812 slaves mined saltpeter from the caves to make gunpowder.  Tours began in 1816. Over a century of private ownership and then in 1926 the government formed the National Park.  What a place to explore!!

mammouth cave two

12 Jul 1799:  Immigrant Charles Stice and son Andrew Stice, both purchased property at the Green River at Warren County, Kentucky…near Brownsville, Edmonson County, Kentucky.

1800:  2nd Census of Kentucky lists Immigrant Charles Stice, Sr as well as sons Charles, Jr and Andrew.

21 Aug 1801:  Immigrant Charles Stice, Sr died at Bowling Green, Warren, Kentucky at the age of abt 56 years.  His Will was dated 26 Feb 1801 and signed Carl Stys.  Will was witnessed by: William Phelps, Philip Jones, William Forkner and executed by wife Caty and Mastin Elmore (his son-in-law married to daughter Elizabeth,).  See my blog post:  Who is William Phelps…Witness to Charles Stice’s Will.  The Stice family had intermarried with the Phelps of Kentucky, as well as the Jones and the Webb families. See copy of Will at:

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stice/mrk/aqwg01.htm

I wonder what happened that Immigrant Charles Stice should have died so young? He left his familiar home of thirty years in Rutherford County, North Carolina, and made the adventurous move to Kentucky at the age of 54. His daughter and her children were killed…and then he only lived a couple of years in his new home before his death. He left behind a few children still living at home, Sarah Stice (8), Rebecca Stice (12), Peter James Stice (14), Easter Stice (16), David Stice (19).  All of his children has some history in the State of Kentucky.

Katron or Catherine (Collins) Stice married again after the death of her husband, Immigrant Charles Carl Stice.  She married James Long on 11 May 1802 at the age of 57 years, and had no children with him. However, the James Long family would eventually marry into the line of Mary Stice, daughter of the Immigrant and Katron or Catherine (Collins).

2nd Generation:  DNA connections to date… through Ancestry.com in red.

  1. Philip Stice:  Born abt 1760 and died abt 1825.  He married Mary Haynes, daughter of William Presley Haynes and Sarah Gibbs in 1780 in Kentucky. They had eleven children. He was also the owner of one slave. In 1810 (his father had died in 1801 in Kentucky) he is again living in Rutherford County, North Carolina while most of his siblings are living in Kentucky. The family story is that he died enroute to Kentucky from North Carolina. According to some research: There is supposedly another Philip Stice (perhaps related, but not the son of the Immigrant Charles Stice), living near to our Stice family in Warren County, NC. (See note below *)
  2.  Mary Stice:  Born abt 1764 and died 1855 in Kentucky. She married John/Jonas Haynes, son of William Presley Haynes and Sarah Gibbs. John served in the Revolutionary War. They had ten children.
  3. Katron Stice: Born abt 1769 in Rowan County, NC and died abt 1800 in Kentucky.  She married William Collins.   “Grandpa Stice had one daughter, Katron Stice, who married William Collins in Kentucky and had seven children. The Indians broke out and killed his wife and all the children.”  From what I understand it was while enroute to Kentucky.                    http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stice/mrk/aqwg05.htm
  4. Andrew Stice:  Born 1770 in Rowan County, NC and died 1817 in Collinsville, Madison, Illinois.  He married Nancy Green Wilson in 1789 in Rowan County, NC and were the parents of thirteen children. Andrew was a Predestination Baptist. No musical instruments allowed in Church service…only voice.  This denomination was also called, “Hard Shell Baptist”.
    .   “Then my father (Andrew Stice) took a notion to go to old Kentucky, to what is now called Warren County, near Bowling Green on Green River. They traveled on pack horses, there being in all about twenty-five men and women. Andrew Stice’s,
    younger brother came with them.”   “A History of her Family” by Nancy Green Stice Bond, dated 4 Apr 1904.                                                                                   http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stice/mrk/aqwg05.htm
  5. Elizabeth Stice:  Born abt 1772 in North Carolina and died in 1860 in Edmonson County, Kentucky.  She married Mastin Elmore.  It is speculated that she died having no children.
  6. Charles Stice II:  Born 31 Mar 1775 in Rutherford County, NC and died 31 Jan 1827 in Owen, Kentucky.  He married Mary “Polly” Baker.  They had nine children.
  7. Ruth Ann Stice:  Born abt 1776 in Rutherford County, NC.  I have read some research that states she died at the age of 16 in Warren County, Kentucky (that would be 1792?).  However, SticeWeb shows she died in 1861 in Edmonson County, Kentucky and married James Reuben Alexander and had nine children.  Also, that she married again in 1817 to John Franklin Bullock in Warren County, Kentucky and also had children with him.
  8. David Stice:  Born 1782 in Rutherford County, NC and died 1854 in Edmonson County, Kentucky. David was 19 years old and unmarried at the death of his father in 1801. He married Sarah McCracken in 1802 and they had four children. Sarah “Sallie” McCracken was one of two orphans that traveled with the Stice Family by foot and pack horse to Kentucky abt 1799/1800.   At the death of Sarah McCracken’s brother, Hugh McCracken, their sons (Hugh McCracken Stice and James Stice) received property.
  9. Easter Stice:  Born abt 1782 in Rutherford County, North Carolina and died abt 1855 in Iowa. She was 16 years old and unmarried when her father died. It is said she was born on Easter Sunday and that is how she came by her name.  On some Census sheets it is listed as Esther.  She married William Simmons in 1804 at Warren County, Kentucky and had thirteen children.  Like her brother, Peter James Stice, she lived some of her life in Missouri.  They lived in Howard County, Missouri for one year and then in Boone County, Missouri for eight years. They then moved to Illinois…then back to Warren County, Kentucky and then back to Illinois in the town of Galena, Jo Daviess County.  She died and was buried in Iowa.
  10. Peter James Stice, SrMy 4th Great Grandfather.  Born 25 Jan 1787 in Rutherford County, North Carolina and died 8 Oct 1877 in Washougal, Clark, Washington at the age of 91.  He was fourteen years old when his father Charles Stice died.  He married 1) Charlotte Wainscott on 23 Jan 1807 in Gallatin County, Kentucky when he was abt 20. Her parents were Abraham Wainscott and Mary Wollum.  They had eleven children in all. Charlotte died in Florida, Ralls County, Missouri (birthplace of Mark Twain) in 1826, at the age of 37.  The Wainscott family has ancestry that includes Daniel Boone and Morgan Bryan.
    peter james stice, sr
    Peter James Stice, Sr.

    Peter married 2) to Malinda Phelps in 1827 in Ralls County, Missouri. Her parentage is unknown, but she is probably related to the Phelps family they were associated with in Kentucky and perhaps even to Ezekiel Phelps. She was born 1804 in Kentucky and died in 1864 in Clark County, Washington at the age of 60.  They had five children together.   See my Blog Post:   “Children of Peter Jame Stice...”

    Malinda Phelps Stice
    Malinda (Phelps) Stice 1853 probably enroute to Washington. Photo posted on Ancestry.com by Ronald Zook

    Peter James Stice was the father of 19 children, 101 grandchildren, and 50 great grandchildren.  He left Missouri/Iowa for the State of Washington in abt 1852.  Early pioneers of that State.  He must’ve been an adventurous man.

  11. Rebecca Stice:  Born abt 1789 in Rutherford County, NC and died bef 1855 in Scott County, Illinois. She was twelve at the death of her father in 1801. In 1812 she married James Ethel and they had six children.
  12. Sarah Sallie Stice: Born 1791 in Rutherford County, NC and died 17 Aug 1860 in Edmonson County, Kentucky.  She married 1) James Ruben Sargent in 1807 and together they had four children.  At James’ death she married again to 2) Hugh Heath in 1821 and they had four children.

The Vinson Family Tree at Ancestry.Com gives us a very well researched life of Charles Stice and Descendants.  Also, Stice Web – Descendants of Charles Stice.  We owe much to Merlin and Carolyn Stice Kitchen who have provided detailed information about our family on RootsWeb.  See:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=sticeweb&id=I3425

*John Henry Stice..(a brother or cousin?)….and “There is supposedly another Philip Stice (perhaps related, but not the son of the Immigrant Charles Stice), living near to our Stice family in Warren County, NC.”….perhaps this Philip Stice is the son of the unknown John Henry Stice???

 

 

 

 

 

 

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An American Story #3: Thomas Maddin the Immigrant and Ste Genevieve, Missouri

My 4th Great Grandfather

Please do your own research and do not assume I’m correct.

It appears that many of my ancestors had Baltimore, Maryland as part of their early American journey.  The Phelps, Wainscotts, and Maddin families to name a few. Much has already been written about Immigrant Thomas Maddin (Madden) in Ste Genevieve and Washington Counties in Missouri, including his wife, Margaret (Brown) and their descendants. Thomas and Margaret were married in Baltimore, Maryland.  Lynn Fusinato has a very well written article titled, “Margaret Brown and Thomas Madden Family History”.  You can view it at:

http://stegenevieve.net/2008/12/margaret-brown-and-thomas-madden-family-history/

As far as the Irish name Maddin goes…it is a variant of Madden.

Madden Family HistoryIrish (Galway): shortened Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Madáin ‘descendant of Madán’, a reduced form of Madadhán, from madadh ‘dog’ (see Madigan).

Thomas Maddin, Sr was born around 1733 according to his grave marker.  There are several contradictory documents concerning his birth date.  Family tales state he came to America because his family lost their land in Ireland some time before 1780. It is written that Catholics were being persecuted in Ireland during the 1700’s…and that their land could not be passed on to a single heir.  I wonder if this had anything to do with Thomas coming to America.

After the American Revolutionary War, (his burial stone states he participated in this War), he married Margaret Brown in Dec of 1783 in Baltimore, Maryland.  Her father, Richard Brown, also moved his family at about this time to Stony Creek, Virginia (now West Virginia) and purchased 1,100 acres and built a large home for the Brown family.  He eventually gave Thomas and Margaret a farm and Thomas sold it for $1,000 before moving his family to Ste Genevieve, Missouri where they would become very wealthy and live out the rest of their lives.

How I’m related:  I did not receive Thomas’ Irish blood…for my DNA shows no Irish at all.  However, I do show DNA connection to his offspring.  I am related to him through his son Richard Maddin. Richard married Margaret (McClanahan), and their son Thomas Maddin, who was  born abt 1822 in Missouri, was Thomas and Margaret’s grandson. This grandson married the Texan, Mary Strickland, in abt 1850 and their son, William Henry Maddin married Molly Lunsford,  from whom my Grandma Nellie was born in Texas.

thomas maddin stone

1st Generation:  The Immigrant, Thomas Maddin Sr born in Ireland and died 5 Mar 1838 in Washington County, Missouri.  He married Margaret Brown in 1783.  Her parents were Richard Brown (a Colonel under General George Washington) and Honour Wells. (I will do a separate Post on the Brown and Wells family).

See:  https://www.geni.com/people/Col-Richard-Brown/374148991270012010

According to Mary J Roe‘s book. “Genealogy of Gen. James
Wells and descendents” published in 1892…around 1807 Richard Brown had a visitor who later documented through a journal that Richard Brown had given a farm to his daughter Margaret (Brown) and her Irishman husband, a “Mr Maden” and that abt 1800 Mr Maden had then sold it for $1,000 and migrated to Ste Genevieve, Missouri, on the Mississippi. Mr Maden became a surveyor there with an income of $2,000 a year.  The visitor also wrote that despite his age (66) Richard Brown visited his daughter and family at Ste Genevieve in abt 1805. This visit is also recorded in the Brown Family Bible.  A long trip for an old Methodist, from West Virginia to Ste Genevieve, Missouri.

Two or more years before Thomas Maddin, Sr sold the farm in West Virginia, given to him by his father-in-law , Richard Brown, he and his two sons, Richard and Thomas, Jr went to Missouri to see what the opportunities were.  He obtained land grants from the Spanish Government and secured the position of deputy Surveyor under Antoine Soulard, the general Surveyor of Upper Louisiana under Spain, France and the United States during the period of 1796-1806.

“Ste Genevieve”, is distinguished as having been settled by the French.  Also, many of the French explorers as well as French priests influenced the population and several Catholic Churches were erected early on. Thomas Maddin became familiar enough with the French language that he was called upon at times to interpret for those in need.

Thomas Maddin, Sr offered to wager with a Mr Bolduc, as to who was the wealthiest in the County, but Mr Bolduc silenced him.  It appears the family had become very wealthy in Missouri.

In 1801 Spain signed a treaty giving Louisiana Territory back to France.  So I guess when the Maddins arrived it was owned by Spain…then went back to the French in 1801 before the United States purchased it in 1803 by acting President, Thomas Jefferson.  Missouri became a State in Aug of 1821.  The Immigrant, Thomas Madden, was living in Ste Genevieve, in what would later become the State of Missouri, through all of these different Country ownership transitions.

In 1804 the population was 1,300 and 1/3 were slaves.  Sadly the Maddin family were slave owners in Missouri.  Out of this population there also lived the David Strickland Family. As mentioned above, Mary Strickland, David Strickland’s granddaughter, would marry the grandson of Immigrant Thomas Maddin. The Strickland Family arrived in what would become Ste Genevieve, Missouri in about 1799 (before Statehood), and with the population of whites under a thousand…the two families probably knew each other even at that early date.

In Jan of 1810, Immigrant Thomas Maddin and sons, Richard, and Thomas, Jr all signed a Petition to Congress by inhabitants of Louisiana – Missouri Territory to establish a State Government.

2nd Generation:  Children of Thomas Maddin, Sr and Margaret (Brown).                DNA connected to date in red:

  1.  Richard Maddin (my 3rd great grandfather) born abt 1784 in Virginia and died 1844 in Ste Genevieve, County, Missouri.  Married Margaret (McClanahan) (See below for spelling variation). Executors of Will were to be his son Thomas Maddin and son-in-law Thomas Holmes…but because both were living out-of-state at his death, his son-in-law and nephew, Charles Maddin was made executor by the Judge.
  2. Honour (Honora) Maddin born abt 1785 in Baltimore, Maryland and died abt 1838 in Washington County, Missouri.  She married Colonel Nathaniel Cook. Nathaniel was involved in County and State politics.  He ran for Lt Governor of the State of Missouri in 1821.  His younger brother John D Cook was appointed U S District Attorney from Missouri and his wife was cousin to President Zachery Taylor.  Another brother, Congressman, Daniel Pope Cook is who Cook County, Illinois is named after – (Chicago).

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    Daniel Pope Cook of whom Cook County, IL is named for
  3. Margaret Maddin born abt 1786 and died 1820 in Missouri.  She married Jacob Horine.  In family tales it is said that Jacob would talk abt $100,000 left to his father in Germany, but since he had more than enough property in Missouri, he never claimed it.  His father was a huge land owner with thousands of acres in Kentucky and Missouri… and was murdered by a gunshot while hunting.  The murder went unsolved.
  4. Thomas Maddin, Jr born abt 1787 in maybe Maryland? and died 2 Sep 1847 in Pope County, Arkansas.  Lived for a while next door to his brother Philip Maddin in Pope County, Arkansas.  Thomas Madden, Jr also ran a water powered mill near the forks, and soon other businesses were established in Perry County, Arkansas. I don’t know his wife’s name but he had at least two sons, Philip and Charles.
  5. Philip D Maddin born abt 1788 and died abt 1847 in probably Arkansas.  He never married and his estate was divided up by the State between his siblings (except William Israel Maddin who probably could not be found) and his nieces and nephews.
  6. William Israel Maddin born abt 1790 and died bef 1850 somewhere in California. He married Louisiana Dodge who’s parents were Henry Dodge and Christiana McDonald.  Henry Dodge was the 1st Governor of Territory of Wisconsin and after Statehood he was elected as a U S Senator of the State. William and Louisiana moved to Wisconsin with the Dodge family around 1826 where William Israel Maddin was a member of the First Constitutional Convention of Wisconsin from Iowa County. In 1845 William left his family in Wisconsin and went to California to prospect for gold.  He died there without ever striking it rich, leaving his wife and children to fend for themselves back in Wisconsin.  About 25 years later his widow and some of his children moved to Sonoma County, California, where they lived out their lives.  His only daughter Delia Maddin was committed to a California hospital for the Insane in 1896.
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    Young Henry Dodge, Gov of Wisconsin, father of Louisiana Dodge.

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    Louisiana Dodge, wife of William Israel Maddin
  7. Nancy (or Mary) Ann Maddin born abt 1793 in Virginia and died 16 May 1870 in Missouri.  She married Josiah McClanahan (See below abt surname variation).  Josiah made an 800 mile trip on foot to Mexico in the middle of winter in 1809 where he was taken prisoner by the Spanish and worked mines for two years.  After his release he walked back to Ste Genevieve. Nancy Ann became a widow in 1840 and is the child that inherited Immigrant Thomas Maddin’s Mill.  At her death it went to her granddaughter Ann McGready and husband Robert Bust.
  8. James Maddin born abt 1796 in Missouri and died abt 1848 in Arkansas.  He married Mary Frances Bryan.  They would move to Pope County, Arkansas.
  9. Malachi Maddin born abt 1799 in Missouri and died abt 1859 in Missouri.  He married Caroline James.  At the death of both James and Caroline by 1860 their younger children were dispersed among his sister Nancy Ann (McClanahan) and his brother James Maddin.

3rd Generation:  Children of Richard Maddin and Margaret (McClanahan):  DNA connection known to date is in red.

Note:  In varying documents, McClanahan is sometimes spelled McLanahan.  Son Charles’ Idaho Death Record, states mother’s maiden name to be McClanahan.

  1. Honour “Hanna” Maddin born 1818 Ste Genevieve County, Missouri and died 1862 in St Louis, Missouri.  She married her 1st cousin, Charles Maddin (son of Thomas Maddin, Jr), who was chosen by the Judge to be the executor of Immigrant Thomas Maddin‘s Will.
  2. Rachel Ann Maddin born abt 1820 in Missouri and died abt 1852 in Perry County, Arkansas.  She married Dr Thomas Holmes, the son of William Holmes, Sr, a good friend of her fathers.  (William Holmes, Sr. had two sons that married Richard Maddin’s daughters: son, Thomas Holmes married Rachel…and son, William Isom Holmes married Margaret Maddin).
  3. Matilda Maddin born abt 1821 in Missouri.  She married James Henderson.  By 1850 she and her young son, James Franklin Henderson Sr, were living with her widowed mother. It is unclear what happened to her husband. She remained with her widowed mother until her mother’s death sometime after the 1870 Federal Census.
  4. Thomas Maddin (My 2nd great grandfather) born abt 1822 in Missouri and died sometime after the 1880 Austin, Travis County, Texas Federal Census.  He married 1) Mary Strickland and 2) Sarah J Unknown. (I will write more on him and his family later).
  5. Margaret Maddin born 1823 in Missouri and died 1899 in Perry County, Arkansas.  She married William Isom Holmes, Jr. (Son of William Holmes, Sr.). William Sr had two sons that married daughters of Richard Maddin.  Thomas Holmes married Rachel Maddin…and William Isom Holmes married Margaret Maddin.
  6. Charles Francis Maddin born 1830 in Missouri and died 1919 in Idaho.  He married Ella Frances Coleman.                                  
Charles Maddin
Charles Francis Madden s/o Richard Maddin and Margaret McClanahan.  Originally posted on Ancesstry.com by LynndallJStafford

7. Josephine Maddin born in 1840 in Missouri and died in 1892 in Fannin County, Texas.  She married Thomas Jefferson Hamor in 1860 in Ste Genevieve County, Missouri. His parents were Joel Hamor and Mary Ann Cannon.  It was Thomas’ second marriage for he married Rebecca Daniels in 1853, also in Ste Genevieve.  He and Rebecca had two children, Ellen and Jefferson Thomas.  After marrying Josephine Maddin he had four more children, Charles, Mary, Emma and Felix.  They were living in Hunt County, Texas by 1869 where Felix was born.

 

 

An American Story #2: The Lunsford Immigrant and the “Three Musketeers”

SPECULATION ONLY!

Who are the ancestors of my 2nd Great Grandfather?  John R Lunsford born 1815 Raliegh, Wake, North Carolina, who married Sarah Sallie Harrison 1846 in Robertson County, Texas and died 1900 in Lampasas County, Texas.

I know…it’s quite presumptuous of me to claim I know who John R Lunsford’s immigrant forefather is when I don’t even know the names of his parents.  However, I think we can know the names of his grandparents.

So….I will say that it “appears” to me….as I speculate…that the following suggestion is most likely, according to circumstantial association and recent findings in my DNA.

We begin with Hiram and Allen Lunsford, Jr who were both in Texas by at least 1855…and associated in several different ways with our Texas Lunsfords.  We clearly have circumstantial evidence to show a family connection between our John R and these two brothers, Hiram and Allen, Jr, who’s father was Allen Lunsford, Sr. The Will of their mother, Elizabeth (Glenn?), names both Hiram and Allen, Jr which means we can be sure of  their parentage. However, their mother’s Will does not show a son named John. Nothing is ever easy. Could he have been omitted for some reason??  That leaves us still not knowing who John R’s parents were.  Perhaps these two brothers, Hiram and Allen, Jr were cousins to our John R??? At any rate they share DNA with me and so I am going to follow their path for this Blog Post with the assumption that they share an ancestor with our John R Lunsford of Texas.

So…at this time (impending continual research), I do have these two DNA connections to sons of Allen Lunsford, Sr.  One DNA connection is to son Hiram Lunsford (b abt 1793 in Iredell County, NC and died aft 1880 in probably Texas) and the other to son, Allen Lunsford, Jr  (b 1805 in Iredell County, NC and died probably 1891 in Texas).  Hiram married Amelia Hudspeth…while Allen, Jr was married to several women, one in North Carolina and then later, at least two in Texas. His first marriage was to Mary Elizabeth Basset. (See my different blog posts on these two brothers).  Their father, Allen Lunsford, Sr, was the supposed son of William Lunsford.  On a land transaction in 1789 William purchased 50 acres from John Richardson in Iredell County, North Carolina for $112, located at Caley’s Creek. Sale was witnessed by his sons, Nimrod and Allen. That would be Allen, Sr and his brother Nimrod Lunsford.   See the following:

http://news.rootsweb.com/th/read/LUNSFORD/1996-12/0850124952

So we have now confirmed Hiram and Allen, Jr (DNA connected to me)…and their father Allen, Sr… and now his father was William Lunsford.  William was b abt 1739 in possibly Granville County, NC and d abt 1810 in same. Is there any DNA connection with any of William’s other children, besides his son Allen, Sr?  Yes.

William Lunsford and (wife unknown) children:  Nimrod, John, Elisha & Elijah, and Allen, Sr. Other researchers include, Lidiah (Lunsford) Saunders, Lovia (Lunsford) Hight, Reuben, Agnes (Lunsford) Taylor, William, Jr, and Catherine (Lunsford) Miller. There is also the possibility that Lemuel Lunsford is a son of William. (DNA connection to date are in “bold”).

I have DNA connection to (7) members of William’s family… out of a potential of twelve children.  I have (20) DNA matches with his grandchildren.  Hence, I’m suggesting that perhaps our John R, and Hiram and Allen, Jr, all born in North Carolina, share this ancestor, William Lunsford.  Below: Children of William Lunsford

  1.  Nimrod Lunsford, Sr (with (6) DNA matches amongst his children).  He was born abt 1759 in NC and died 1847 in Alexander County, NC.  Nimrod’s son Michael has the famous war hero and movie actor, Audie Murphy, in his line of descendants.  His line is well documented and I have (1) DNA match with Michael’s son John Lunsford.  Also, a DNA connection with Nimrod’s sons Eli, Wyatt, John, and Nimrod Jr, and daughter Celia (Lunsford) Price. See:  http://gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&p=audie+leon&n=murphy
  2. John Lunsford (with (1) DNA match with his son Jonathan).  John was born abt 1760 and died in 1820 in Wilkes County, NC.
  3. Elisha Lunsford, Sr (with (4) DNA matches amongst his children).  Elisha was born abt 1762 and died 1821 in Wayne County, Kentucky.  DNA matched:  Isham, Daniel, Silas, and Amos.
  4. Reuben Lunsford Sr, (not everyone agrees he is William’s son). I have (2) DNA matches with Reuben’s children:  John and Margaret.  Reuben was born in 1765 and died in 1845 in Virginia.
  5. Allen Lunsford, Sr (with (2) DNA matches).  Sons, Hiram and Allen, Jr.  Allen, Sr was born 1766 and died 1851 in Iredell County, North Carolina.
  6. William Lunsford, Jr (with (1) DNA match), his son James A Lunsford.  William was born 1767 and died 1834 in Georgia.
  7. Lemuel Lunsford (not everyone believes Lemuel to be William’s son).  I have (4) DNA matches with Lemuel’s sons, Hiram, Isaac, Silas and David. Lemuel was born 1774 and died abt 1840 in Clay County, Kentucky. This connection would put us in association with the Melungeons of Clay County, Kentucky.

Here’s the following website for another list of William’s children where Allen, Sr is referred to as James Allen, Sr and his son as James Allen, Jr. Interesting that many in our family call Allen Sr and Jr…Jesse Allen.  see:  http://www.johnniewbrown.net/Bluehost/Lunsford.html

So…even though we may not know who John R Lunsford‘s parents are, I’m thinking that William Lunsford is most probably his grandfather.  If you know something I don’t about DNA…please advise me.  I need all the help I can get.

So…let’s say I’m right and that William Lunsford is our John R Lunsford‘s grandfather (any of his sons could potentially be our JR’s father…even illegitimately, it seems to run in the family).  Our next step in discovering the “Lunsford Immigrant” would be… who is this William Lunsford and can we document his parentage?  Yes.

William Lunsford:  born abt 1739 in Granville County, NC and died abt 1810.  This William is the grandfather that I would share with Audie Murphy.  William would be my 4th great grandfather. Audie’s biographers state that William’s wife is “unknown”.

In 1799, William’s father, John Lunsford, Sr died leaving William Lunsford Juror of Dower of his mother, Mary (Wingate) Lunsford, in Perquiman’s County, NC.  In 1806 at his mother’s death, he was left executor to her Will along with his mother Mary’s brother, Ephraim Wingate. Williams’ sons were also listed in their grandmother’s Will as being Allen (Sr), Nimrod, William and Elisha and Elijah (twins?).

We conclude that William’s parents were John Lunsford, Sr and Mary (Wingate) Lunsford .

 John Lunsford, Sr was born 1719 in Stafford County, VA and died 1799 in Granville County, NC.  John and Mary’s children were William Lunsford, John Jr, James, Joseph, Jesse, and Rodham.  Besides William, I have DNA connection to his brother John Lunsford, Jr.

John Lunsford, Sr parents were William Lunsford II and a “Willie (Franklin?)“. William II was born 1685 in Stafford County, VA and died in 1741 in Northumberland County, VA. Their three known children are:  William Lunsford III, Alexander Lunsford and John Lunsford, Sr.  Besides having a DNA connection to John Sr, I also have DNA connection with his brother, Alexander Lunsford.

William Lunsford II parents were…William Lunsford, Esq and Susannah Blackwell. After some research I found that Esquire means the oldest son of a Knight in England.

William Lunsford Esq was born 1648 in England or, some researchers have speculated that perhaps he was born on the boat coming to America.

William’s life story is somewhat complicated because when his supposed father Sir Thomas Lunsford died in abt 1653 it was thought he had left no male issue. Some researchers continue to say that William, Esq’s father, Thomas, left only daughters…but others have found documents that suggest otherwise. One of the reasons for this persistence is that the only legal transactions concerning Thomas’ estate involved his American born daughter and not a son. But there is evidence that Thomas had one son, William Lunsford Esq.  If William was born in 1638 (as some suggest) his mother would be Thomas’  first wife, Mary Ann Hudson who was born and died in England.  If he was born in 1648 his mother would be Thomas’ 2nd wife, Katherine Neville who was born in England and died in Virginia.  Katherine also had three daughters with Thomas: Elizabeth, Phillipa and Mary.

“In a book by the Coppedge Family, it states, based on their research:
“Tradition has it that William Lunsford, who arrived in VA. with Sir
Thomas, Lady Lunsford, in 1650 lived to marry a Miss Blackwell in
Northumberland. The land patent of 24 Oct. 1650 reads: “Sr. Thomas
Luntsord Knt., The Lady Luntsford, Mrs. Elizabeth Luntsford, Mrs. Philippa
Luntsford, Mrs. Mary Luntsford, Wm. Luntsford, Esqr., Mr. Foster, Mr.
Buffin …” 65 in all. From the position of William Esq., he must have been
younger than his sisters, perhaps born on the voyage and not in London
Tower like Mary; to have the designation Esqr. he must have been the
eldest son living of a knight, as we clearly see, and what is more
important, he must have been the son of Sir Thomas’s English wife,
Katherine Nevill of Billingbere, Berks, dau. of Sir Henry Nevill and
descended from the Killigrews, Smiths, Greshams and the Lords
Abergavenny, not to mention the House of York, Pedro of Castile, Boleyn,
Mortimer, Portugal, Chiche, Pierleoni, and Chichele.”

Even so…William’s connection to Sir Thomas Lunsford is still disputed.  Many hold out he could’ve been a nephew, brother, son, illegitimate son, etc…

Because Thomas had been knighted in England….that made his first son, William Lunsford an Esquire.  The point is that his father brought to America his wife, three daughters and (I think) a son, William Lunsford, Esq.  William’s name listed last suggests that he was younger than his three sisters (which puts me on the side of Katherine Neville being his mother).

William Lunsford, Esq. and Sussanah (Blackwell) Lunsford had five known children: Samuel, Charles, John Sr., Moses, and William Lunsford II.  I have DNA connection to both William II and  John, Sr (from whom the Swanson Lunsfords come).

***William Lunsford, Esq is probably our Lunsford immigrant… unproven to date: is his would-be father, Sir Thomas Lunsford.  They both came over from England so they were both immigrants.  If Sir Thomas is not William’s father then we do not know at this time the parentage of William Lunsford, Esq.

Sir Thomas Lunsford
Sir Thomas Lunsford

Sir Thomas Lunsford is thought by some researchers to be the first Lunsford in VA and perhaps in America. He was described as a red-haired man who was lame in his left leg. His life was at times filled with violence.  It is thought he was mean and vindictive, but at the same time also loyal to his wives and to the Crown of England.  See a well written study of the man by Michael Terry Lunsford.  (Michael has done an excellent job with the historical Thomas Lunsford)….whether we agree on Thomas leaving a son or not.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lunsford/research/biographies/sirthomasstudy.htm

He was born in 1602 in Bearsted, Kent, England. His parents were Thomas Lunsford, Senior and Kathryn Fludd. (In this Post I will refer to our Immigrant as Sir Thomas and his father as Thomas, Senior).  His father had “3” warrior sons (our Sir Thomas, Henry and Herbert). Our American Immigrant, Sir Thomas Lunsford was, in his youth, of a “lawless disposition with a violent temper”.

These three Lunsford boys, Sir Thomas, Henry and Herbert were all loyal to King Charles I , military leaders and protectors of the King.  Because of this, some believe them to be the true life inspiration for Alexandre Dumas’ “Three Musketeers“.  Both of Sir Thomas’ brothers, Henry and Herbert, served under his regiment and held rank.  Now…a candy bar is named after them!!  Paul Harvey’s radio program discussed the inspiration for “The Three Musketeers” ….and according to him, it wasn’t the Lunsfords!

See:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lunsford/research/biographies/sirthomasstudy.htm

Some background:

Oct 1625 Sir Thomas illegally challenged a distant relative, Thomas Whatman, to a duel. To summarize: Whatman complained to the Earl Marshall, and the record remains for everyone to read. Mr Whatman’s complaint was in part, “he was now provoked by Thomas Lunsford, gent, ….by many wrongs and disgraces to fight.”

30 Oct 1627…Sir Thomas was admitted to Grey’s Inn – equivalent to “passing the bar” today.

June 1632:  A Lunsford servant was told to shoot a dog of the Pelhams (cousins to the Lunsfords) which had strayed on Lunsford property.  The two estates, Lunsford and Pelham, abutted one another.  The retaliation was immediate when Sir Thomas Pelham charged Thomas Lunsford, Senior (Sir Thomas’ father), Herbert Lunsford (Sir Thomas’ Uncle and not to be confused with his brother Herbert), and Sir Thomas Lunsford himself…..with poaching, (killing a deer) on Pelham’s grounds. They were all three imprisoned.

Sir Thomas was fined 1,000 pounds by the Star Chamber besides 750 pounds restitution to the Pelhams.  Thomas Lunsford, Senior was never released because he was required to raise security for his own and his families good behavior.  He died in prison. We do not know what happened to Thomas, Senior’s brother Herbert, for the records do not document his fate.  Pelham wrote a letter to the Earl of Dorset stating that the Council take into consideration  “…that young Lunsford who fears neither God nor man.”  The Earl wrote back in Oct of 1632 that he would make every effort to “…..right your reputation and secure your person against that young outlaw.”

Aug 1633:  After his fine was paid he was released from prison.  Sir Thomas and his servant shot two musket balls at Pelham in his carriage in front of his Church…and missed. One report says that one of the musket balls hit the Church door and the mark is still there today.  Pelhams’s wife, two children, and Anthony Stapley were also in the carriage. (Anthony Stapley would later sign the death warrant for King Charles I in 1648).  Sir Thomas was abt 30 years old at this time and may have already been a Colonel in the military.  Some find it difficult to understand how he could’ve missed.

16 Aug 1633:  He was fined 8,000 pounds and committed to Newgate Prison, by warrant.

13 Sep 1633:  His father, Thomas, Senior was ordered at liberty but charged 2,000 pounds for his own and his family’s good behavior.  The sum was later reduced but he still could not come up with the money nor a bondsman.

1633:  Sometime during this mess….Sir Thomas married Mary Hudson (probably before he was imprisoned).  She was born in abt 1614 in Echam, Surrey, England.

15 Oct 1634:  He escaped Newgate Prison by pleading for fresh air and bribing a “guard” for a walk outside.

Abt 1635: While in exile he joined the French service for 6 years.

In 1637 his father Thomas Lunsford Sr died in prison.

28 Nov 1638: Wife, Mary Ann Hudson died in Sussex, England.  It is said she had a son with Lunsford, but he died an infant in England.  They had been married about five years.  No known living children (except that some believe her to be the mother of William Lunsford, Esq.)

In abt 1639 he returned to England where he received a pardon from King Charles I. This was during the English Civil War and anyone loyal to the King would be welcomed back.

About 1639 he married Katherine Neville who was born in England abt 1605 and died in Virginia abt 1651.

Abt 1640 daughter Phillipa was born.

Abt 1641:  He was released from French Service.

Abt 1641 daughter Elizabeth was born.

Also in 1641 he was appointed Lt of the Tower of London.  This appointment produced much hostility and fear in England because the Puritans cautioned their children that he was a cannibal and they all feared him.  Many rumors spread about his violence. There was such an outcry that he was replaced. (Some say after just 5 days).

He was…”described as an “outlaw” and non-attender of Church while in the King’s Army, a ruined and desperate character”.  The below source has a more detailed life for Thomas, but does not mention a son William.  See:  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lunsford,_Thomas_(DNB00)

Abt 1642:  Meanwhile his daughter Mary was born during his duty at the Tower of London.

1 Oct 1647: After some time he was released from duty in London and Knighted after much service to King Charles I and he left for Amsterdam.  Knight:  A man awarded a non-hereditary title in recognition of merit or service and entitled to use the honorific title of “Sir” in front of his name.

He was also a Baron but his land patent had never been issued:  Baron: A member of the lowest order of the British nobility.  A person who held lands or property from the sovereign.

In 1647 he supposedly drew up a Pedigree…and he showed “no sons”. This was written while he was married to his second wife, Katherine Neville who had already bore him 3 daughters.

Some believe that in 1648-49 a son was born and named William Lunsford, Esq.

In 1649, after hearing King Charles was beheaded, he received a pass for himself, his wife, and children to go to Virginia.  He left for the New World…Virginia Colony, America, which was still loyal to the Crown of England at that time.  He wife was Katherine (Neville), 3 daughters, Phillipa, Elizabeth and Mary and son William, Esq with him.

Arrived in America:

I repeat:  In a book by the Coppedge Family, it states, based on their research:
“Tradition has it that William Lunsford, who arrived in VA. with Sir
Thomas, Lady Lunsford, in 1650 lived to marry a Miss Blackwell in
Northumberland. The land patent of 24 Oct. 1650 reads: “Sr. Thomas
Luntsord Knt., The Lady Luntsford, Mrs. Elizabeth Luntsford, Mrs. Philippa
Luntsford, Mrs. Mary Luntsford, Wm. Luntsford, Esqr….

1650:  Almost immediately upon his arrival Gov William Berkeley made him Lt General of the Colony (James City) and later the Council.  (Interest to those with Lee ancestral ties: my Great Grandmother Passmore had the Lee family in her ancestry….and the Lee immigrant (Richard Henry Lee) was also in Virginia at this time and Gov William Berkeley commissioned him to Clerk of the Quarter in James City).  US and Canada Immigration List is showing the date of arrival as 1654????

24 Oct 1650 given Land Grant in Virginia Colony south side of the Rappahannock River. 3,423 acres.

bef 1651 his wife Katherine Neville died leaving him with four children, Elizabeth, Phillipa, Mary and his son William, Esq.  (Some accounts say that Katherine Neville had remarried after Thomas’ death to Sir John Thorowgood, who after Katherine’s death took charge of Katherine’s three daughters.  This doesn’t make sense???  If you have an answer to this…please comment.)

abt 1651 Sir Thomas married for the 3rd time to Elizabeth Wormeley.  This was his only American born wife.  She was born 1632 in VR and died in 1698 in VR.  They had a daughter, and after the custom of naming a daughter after the husband’s deceased wife, they named this daughter, Katherine Lunsford, (after Katherine (Neville) Lunsford).

1652 daughter Katherine was born and it is through her line that the inheritance of the land passed.

Sir Thomas Lunsford died bef 1 Dec 1656 and is buried in Williamsburg, VR. Some say he and son William faked their deaths because of persecution.  They probably remained royalist and may have had enemies from England and/or Virginia because of the family’s connection to King Charles I.

I have DNA connection to Thomas not only through his son William, Esq but potentially through his daughter (with his 3rd wife Elizabeth (Wormeley) Lunsford…Katherine (Lunsford) Wormeley.  (She married Ralph Wormeley, Esq,  a relative from her mother’s “Wormeley” family). She was born 1652 in James City, Virginia and died 1685 in Middlesex County, Virginia.  However, that line needs to be more thoroughly researched, for the DNA tree I have a link with seems to have made an error.  UPDATE:  I do have DNA connected tree to Thomas Lunsford’s daughter with his wife Elizabeth Wormeley, however my connection may be through someone else in the tree that I’m unaware of. Are designation of 10th cousin possible on Ancestry?

There is a reenactment of battles in the English Civil War (similar to America) where they celebrate “Sir Thomas Lunsford’s Regiment of Foote:  See

http://sirthomaslunsford.webs.com/sir-thomas-lunsford

This post is speculation on my part of course…please do not assume I’m correct.  This blog is about sharing our ideas, especially on those stubborn brick walls.

Signature of Sir Thomas Lunsford.

See Coppedge Family Research at:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sharprm/coppage.htm

My Maddin DNA Results and Clarifying Some Mysteries

Please always do your own research my conclusions are not always accurate and I’ve been known to make mistakes.

Ancestry.com has done us a great service.

They not only take our DNA sample and show us where our ancestry is from in the world (at least for females, males have an extra chromosome and I think they can do even more with their DNA)…then, if you have a public tree they match your DNA with other trees (who’ve had their DNA done by Ancestry) in the Ancestry.com system.  This process can find those closely related to us…1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins…but even more distant cousins. Ancestry actually shows us (when possible) what surnames we share with those DNA matches.  I only had private trees in the Ancestry.com system (used for research only), so I quickly made a public tree that contained direct descendants only and went back as far as I could go and submitted it. Wonderful!

I will take the first 5 connections in each of my family surnames and display them for my readers (a separate blog post for each surname), adding more as I continue research on the results.

Because of brick walls, I was interested in the 5-8th cousins list and even “Distant Cousin” in order to find out if some of my theories about our ancestry would pan out, or to learn more about us. The following trees link me with my Maddin family through DNA.

1. DNA connected to Josephine Maddin (sister to Thomas Maddin who was born abt 1822 in Missouri and died unknown and who m Mary Strickland ).  Josephine is the daughter of Richard Maddin born 1784 in probably Virginia and died 1844 in St Genevieve County, Missouri and son of the probable emigrant Thomas Maddin who helped shape St Genevieve County when it was still Louisiana Territory. Richard was married to Margaret (McClanahan?). Josephine married Thomas Jefferson Hamor in 1860.  This DNA trail goes through their daughter, Emma Jane Hamor, who married Walter Taylor Neeves and then their son Walter Frederick Neeves who married Evva Turner.  Walter died in 1962 in Lubbock, Texas.  Interesting Note:  Walter as a descendant of the Maddins married Evva Turner a descendant of Aventon Phelps and Rachel McElroy through their daughter Lurania Phelps.  So my Phelps line and Maddin line meet together at this point. Evva is listed as my 6th cousin 1x removed in my tree…and Walter Frederick Neeves is listed as my 2nd cousin 2x removed.  The listing under my DNA is high for 4-6th cousin, so it may be more toward Evva than Walter.

The following three photos were originally posted on Ancestry.com by LSHamlin4604.

emma jane hamor
Emma Jane Hamor/Neeves, g- granddaughter of the emigrant Thomas Maddin. Originally posted on Ancestry.com by Bettie Collins
walter neeves
Walter Frederick Neeves on his wedding day.
evva turner
Evva Turner on her wedding day.

2. DNA connected to Laura Alice Maddin, d/o Thomas Maddin and Mary Strickland.  Laura was born 1856 in Arkansas and died 1947 in San Bernardino, CA.  She married James Thomas Johnson in 1873 in Austin, Williamson, TX. The line continues through their son Gus Johnson born 1885 in Travis, TX and died 1957 in Utah.  He married Margaret Bradley in 1912 in Los Angeles, CA.  Their son Joseph Eugene Johnson was born in 1924 in San Bernardino, CA and died 2002 in Oregon.  Joseph is my 3rd cousin.

Below photo of Laura Alice Maddin, d/o Thomas Maddin and Mary Strickland.  Photo originally posted on Ancestry.com by Dianna Peck.

laura alice maddin

margaret bradley
Margaret Bradley, w/o Gus Johnson.  Posted on Ancestry.com by Dianna Peck.
gus johnson
Gus Johnson, s/o Laura Maddin and Thomas Johnson.  Originally posted on Ancestry.com by Dianna Peck.
joseph johnson
Joseph Eugene Johnson s/o Gus Johnson and Margaret Bradley.  Posted on Ancestry.com by Dianna Peck.

3. DNA related to Charles Francis Maddin (spelled Madden in this connection).  His parents are Richard Maddin and Margaret (McClanahan?).  Charles was born in 1830 in Ste Genevieve County, Mo and died in 1919 in Idaho.  He married Ella Coleman.  Their line continues to their daughter Una Maddin born in 1878 in Idaho and died 1956 in California.  She married Charles Deeter.  Their daughter Frances Fern Deeter married William Thursby in 1931 in California.  Frances is my 2nd cousin 2x removed according to my Ancestry tree.

Charles Maddin
Charles Fancis Maddin s/o Richard Maddin and Margaret (McClanahan?). Originally posted on Ancestry.com by LyndallJStafford.

I have other “Madden” with an “e” DNA matches but haven’t been able or because of time…haven’t found a connection.  It’s interesting that I’ve always speculated that Richard Maddin was my line to the emigrant Thomas Maddin and now all of my known DNA matches are with him and his children. More later.

My Phelps DNA Results and Clarifying Some Mysteries

Please always do your own research.  I’ve been known to make mistakes.

Ancestry.com has done us a great service.

They not only take our DNA sample and show us where our ancestry is from in the world  (at least for females, males have an extra chromosome and I think they can do even more with their DNA)…then, if you have a public tree they match your DNA with other trees (who’ve had their DNA done by Ancestry) in the Ancestry.com system.  This process can find those closely related to us…1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins…but even more distant cousins. Ancestry actually shows us (when possible) what surnames we share with those DNA matches.  I only had private trees in the Ancestry.com system (used for research only), so I quickly made a public tree that contained direct descendants only and went back as far as I could go and submitted it. Wonderful!

I will take the first 5 connections in each of my family surnames and display them for my readers (a separate blog post for each surname), adding more as I continue research on the results.

Because of brick walls, I was interested in the 5-8th cousins list and even “Distant Cousin” in order to find out if some of my theories about our ancestry would pan out, or to learn more about us. Here’s what I’ve found so far.

I’m very excited to report to you that my DNA has been connected to the Lost Daughters of Ezekiel and Malinda (Stice) Phelps.  Please review my Blog Post:  “The Lost Children of….” It was my very first blog post…posted 3 years ago.  These lost children (2 girls and 1 boy) are listed on the 1830 & 1840 Federal Census in Missouri.  Because they got married before the 1850 Federal Census (which lists everyone in the household by name) we did not know who these children were: The two girls have now been identified and confirmed…the boy is yet unknown…but I think DNA will prove helpful to identify him also.

1.  DNA Connected to Melinda Jane Phelps born abt 1828.  Since Ezekiel and Malinda were married in Jul of 1827, I’m thinking she is probably their first born after that date.  She married Richard Dillard Upchurch in Scotland County, MO on the 16th of Apr 1848.  His parents were: Whitney Upchurch and Elizabeth Goodwin. Richard had been married before to Martha Maxey who died in 1846. Richard and Melinda’s first census together was the 1850 Federal Census in Schuyler County, Missouri, (which borders Scotland County to the west and borders Adair County to the north).  They are listed with their two small sons, William H Upchurch age 2 and James E Upchurch age 0.  By 1860 they were in California with many of their other relatives…including Ezekiel Phelps and family. The DNA trail is through their daughter Eliza A Upchurch b 1853 in Schuyler County, Missouri and died 29 May 1923 in Napa County, California.  She married William Green Perry Wagnon b 1837 in Arkansas and died 30 Aug 1913 in Napa County, California. Next is their daughter Eva Letita Wagnon b 1878 California and died 1960 Napa County, California.  She married Holt Andrew March b 1875 in Missouri and died 1953 in Napa County.  (This March family is also related to us). You should be able with the above information to add this daughter of Ezekiel and Malinda Phelps to your tree.

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Eva L (Wagnon) and husband Holt Andrew March.  Eva is a direct descendant of Ezekiel Phelps and Malinda (Stice).  The March family is also connected to us.

The above and below photos were originally posted on Ancesty.com by Morrisdorren, my DNA connection to this family.

clinton march
Clinton March, s/o Eva (Wagnon) and Holt March.  Direct line of descent from Ezekiel Phelps and Malinda (Stice)

For more informtaion on these Lost Daughters of Ezekiel Phelps #1 and #2 see my Blog Post:  https://indirectlyconnected.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/the-three-lost-children/

2.  DNA Connected to Martha Patsy Phelps.  See above mentioned blog post for more information.  I’ve been secure in this daughter’s parentage for some time as a relative told me they had her death certificate and that it stated her parents as Ezekiel Philps and Jane Stice.  However, it is nice to know that my DNA also incudes her family.  The Ancestry.com tree that connects our DNA match begins with Nelson Grogan and a Martha Unknown. The Martha Unknown is Martha Patsy Phelps b abt 1829 in Missouri and died  1902 in Bismarck, North Dakota. She married Nelson Grogan in Adair County, Missouri on 26 Mar 1848.  From there it goes through their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Grogan b 1858 in California and died aft 1900 in probably Missouri.  She m George Washington Turk in 1876 in Schuyler County, Missouri. Next is their daughter Mary Frances Turk b 1886 in Iowa and d 1943 in Iowa.  She m Charles Robt Taylor (b 1882 MO and d 1949 in Iowa).  Their daughter is Alice Ruth Taylor b 1923 Iowa and d 1993 Florida.

Photo below was originally posted on Ancestry.com by cindylhewe my DNA 4-6th cousin catagory. In my tree she is my 4th cousin.  Right on Ancestry.com!

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Alice Ruth Taylor descendant of Ezekiel Phelps and Malinda Stice

3.  DNA Connected to Edy Phelps:  Daughter of Ezekiel and Malinda (Stice) Phelps b 1838 Missouri and d bef 1874 in Missouri.  She m George Rogers in 1854 in Adair County, Missouri.  Their son George Washington Rogers b 1863 in Missouri and d 1931 in Colorado and m Margaret Watts.  Their daughter Edith Rogers b 1889 in Arkansas and d 1979 in Missouri.  Edith m Pleasant Foster and had daughter Juanita Mae Foster b 1917 in Colorado and d 1995 in Missouri.

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Above photo of Edith (Rogers) Foster.  Direct line descendant of Ezekiel and Malinda (Stice) Phelps.  Originally posted on Ancestry.com by bendawrn2 my DNA connection.

4.  DNA Connected to Asa Phelps:  Asa is the son of Ezekiel and Malinda (Stice) Phelps. He was b 1851 in Adair County, Missouri and d 1934 in Kansas.  He m Viola Lindsey in 1872 in Missouri.  Their daughter Allie Melinda Phelps was b 1878 in Missouri and d 1966 in Oklahoma.  Allie m Joseph Ham in 1894 in Oklahoma and they had daughter Anna Odella Ham b 1906 in Oklahoma and d 2004 in Oklahoma.  Anna m Harlo Chester Camp.  They had daughter Eleanor June Camp b 1925 in Oklahoma and d 2010 in Oklahoma.

The following images of top Allie Melinda Phelps and bottom Anna Odella Ham were originally posted on Ancestry.com by BarbaraPercival another DNA connection for Asa Phelps.

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The following photo was originally posted on Ancestry.com by Dona Geisler of Eleanor June Camp.

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5.  DNA Connected to: Elizabeth Jane Phelps daughter of Ezekiel and Malinda (Stice) Phelps b 1841 Adair County, Missouri and d 1911 in Saline County, Missouri at Arrow Rock. She m John Moore and they had Elizabeth Ann Moore b 1862 in Missouri and d 1937 in Saline County, Missouri.  Elizabeth Ann m William Nicely and they had daughter Della Frances Nicely b 1902 in Saline County, Missouri and d 1990 at same. Della m Harley Mitchell and had daughter Edith Juanita Mitchell b 1923 in Saline County, Missouri and d 2012 in Boone County, Missouri.  Edith m Nathan Wright. I am DNA connected to cheryltilly1 for this family and debbiemfox.

The image below is of Elizabeth Ann Moore originally posted on Ancestry.com by DanaB442.  Elizabeth is the granddaughter of Ezekiel and Malinda (Stice) Phelps.

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The image below is of Della Frances Nicely and Claude Hinton originally posted on Ancestry.com by DanaB442.

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Below image is of Edith (Mitchell) and husband Nathan Wright on their marriage day originally posted on Ancestry.com by diannesmith1956.

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5.DNA Connected to: Robert E Phelps:  Son of Harvey and Pollyanna (Ivie) Phelps. Robert was b 1869 in Cedar County, Missouri and d 1943 in Arizona.  He m Rebecca Girard and they had daughter Myrl Joy Phelps b 1902 Missouri and d 1991 in State of Washington.  Myrl m Harlin Page and they had daughter Patricia Lou Page b 1924 California and d 2015 in Washington. Patricia m William George Taylor. Cheryl5491 is my DNA connection and she has posted the following photos on Ancestry.com.  She is currently writing a book about her adventurous ancestors.  She has also recently made contact with descendants of Henry Phelps of whom we thought died without leaving any children.  Thank you Cheryl!

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Robert Phelps, s/of Harvey and Pollyanna (Stice) Phelps.
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Myrl Joy (Phelps) Page, d/of Robert and Rebecca (Girard) Phelps.  Wife of Harlin Page.

6.  DNA connected to Melissa Phelps:  Daughter of Harvey and Pollyanna (Ivie) Phelps.  I worked hard to follow the lives of each of Harvey and Pollyanna (Ivie) Phelps children.  Each had their own challenges.  Melissa was born in 1863 in Washington, Cedar, Missouri and is on her parents 1870 Federal Census there.  In about 1879 she married James Parker.  James’ parents were:  James Harvey Parker and Mary Ann Miller. He was born 1852 in Kentucky.  Melissa and James had a daughter named Rowena Parker born 1890 and died 1918 in Jackson, Missouri. She married Artie Earl Gentry in 1906 in Jackson County and had a son, William Roy Gentry, Lt Colonel WWII Korea buried in Arlington Cemetery.  He married Anna Lewis. I am now DNA connected to Melissa through the Gentry family DNA, through gentrysusan.  See my blog post:  https://indirectlyconnected.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/31/

My Lunsford DNA Results and Clarifying some Mysteries

Ancestry.com has done us a great service.

They not only take our DNA sample and show us where our ancestry is from in the world  (at least for females, males have an extra chromosome and I think they can do even more with their DNA)…then, if you have a public tree they match your DNA with other trees (who’ve had their DNA done by Ancestry) in the Ancestry.com system.  This process can find those closely related to us…1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins…but even more distant cousins.  Ancestry actually shows us (when possible) what surnames we share with those DNA matches.  I only had private trees in the Ancestry.com system (used for research only), so I quickly made a public tree that contained direct descendants only and went back as far as I could go and submitted it. Wonderful!

I will take the first 5 connections in each of my family surnames and display them for my readers (a separate blog post for each surname), adding more as I continue research on the results.

Because of brick walls, I was interested in the 5-8th cousins list and even “Distant Cousin” in order to find out if some of my theories about our ancestry would pan out, or to learn more about us. Here’s what I’ve found so far.

I decided to begin with “Lunsford” and so I typed in the name and waited a moment for Ancestry.com to sort through all the trees with my DNA that included that name. My purpose is to find out through DNA who John R Lunsford‘s parents were and how he is related to the Allen Lunsford, Sr (that I have written a Blog Post on) with the hope of matching our DNA. John R was born in 1815 in Wake County, NC and his parentage has not been verified.  However, we have discovered two men that are thought to be either his brothers/ half brothers/cousin…(Allen, Jr and Hiram Lunsford) because of circumstantial evidence and a previously found DNA connection.

Because of being DNA connected I have prematurely put John R Lunsford (born 1815 NC) husband to Sarah Harrison, as grandson to William (1739-1810) and Rebecca (Basye?) Lunsford ( Allen, Jr and Hiram Lunsford’s grandfather). Please take note that many researchers say that William’s wife is (Unknown). William’s parents were John (1719-1799) and Mary (Wingate) Lunsford. These are the names we will be looking for to see if my DNA does indeed match these folks. If we can’t find John R’s parents, perhaps we can find his grandparents.

Has DNA connected me to Hiram Lunsford or his brother Allen, Jr?  Note; this past week the Wills of Allen Lunsford, Sr and his wife Elizabeth (?) have been posted on Ancestry.com and although Allen, Jr and Hiram are listed as sons of Allen Lunsford, Sr, John R Lunsford is not listed on the Will. Nothing is ever easy!!

1. 4th Cousin Category:   This tree (which I share DNA with) did indeed have a Lunsford but this Lunsford was not in my research tree. There are only 42 people in this DNA connected tree and only one Lunsford….Mary Anne Lunsford, with no dates for birth or death and no parents listed.  It states she married Abner Revis, also with no date of birth or death…but it did list their child with vital stats. With some quick research in other Ancestry trees I found that Mary Anne was born 1858 in Madison County, NC and died 1938 in Buncombe County, NC. Her parents were James Lunsford and Sarah Fortner. James parents were Eli Lunsford and Mary Ann Henderson.  Eli’s parents were Nimrod Lunsford (1760-1847) and Elizabeth Wyatt. Nimrod’s parents were William Lunsford and Rebecca (Basye?).  William and Rebecca had many sons including, Nimrod… and some think that Allen Lunsford, Sr (father of Hiram and Allen, Jr) was also a sonWilliams’ parents were John Sr and Mary (Wingate) Lunsford.  After adding Mary Ann (Lunsford) Revis and her ancestry to my research tree, she was designated as my 3rd cousin 2x removed. Verifying DNA connection to me and Nimrod himself or to one of his brothers. (Of special interest is that our John R named a son Wyatt, which could have been after his mother’s maiden name of Wyatt… if Nimrod was his father).

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Abner Revis, husband of Mary Ann Lunsford

2)  4th Cousin category:  This Lunsford is found in two trees.  Elizabeth Lunsford born 1830 in (one tree specifies birth in Illinois and the other Tennessee).  She is married to William Howard Harrison and they had one daughter named Martha Elizabeth “Mattie” Harrison (who married Rev Samuel Doak Cook in Young County in 1870).  Mattie’s Death Certificate states she was born in 1848 in Texas, Findagrave states she was born in Titus County.  I haven’t been able to figure this one out yet…got any ideas? Could we be DNA related through the Harrisons and the Lunsfords in these two families?  Update:  Another DNA connected tree has this same William Howard Harrison but he is married to Elizabeth Hoggard and not Lunsford???  If this is correct, it is probably the Harrison that I’m connected to.  Yet…on daughter Martha “Mattie”‘s death certificate it states her mother’s maiden name to be “Lunsford”. ??

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Mattie Harrison and husband Samuel Cook

3.  4th Cousin Category:  This one is exciting news. I am now DNA connected to Hiram Lunsford, son of Allen Lunsford, Sr (See top of page for reference).  This tree has a Mary Ann “Polly” Lunsford  born 1832 in North Carolina and died 1919 in Williamson County, TX. She married Thomas Jefferson Johnson (1836 LA-1917 Milam County, TX). Mary Lunsford’s parents were Hiram Lunsford (1793 Iredell County, NC -aft 1880 TX) and Amelia Hudspeth (1802 NC-1870 Goliad County, TX).  Hiram’s parents were Allen Lunsford, Sr and Elizabeth (?). Allen, Sr’s parents were William Lunsford and Rebecca (Basye?).  William’s parents were John Lunsford, Sr, and Mary Wingate. So once again we are back to the same people as ancestors of John R Lunsford.  In my ancestry tree Mary Ann (Lunsford) Johnson is listed as my 1st cousin 3x removed and the Owner of the DNA related tree would be my 4th cousin.  I’m not sure yet if I have John R connected correctly but this tree shows I am somehow directly related to these Lunsfords.

4.  4th Cousin Category.   Lunsford match is Anna Caroline Lunsford born 1840 in St Francois County, MO and died 1924 in Madison County, MO.  She married Isaac Newton Watts in 1861 in MO.  This DNA connection left Anna’s parents blank. However, I already had her parents in my research tree as Amos Lunsford (1815 NC-1875 MO) and Frances “Fanny” Barton. Amos’ parents were Elisha Lunsford (1760 NC – 1821 KY) and Eva Maria Grant. Elisha’s parents were John Lunsford, Sr and Mary Wingate.  Once again back to this same family. Anna Caroline is listed as my 2nd cousin 4x removed in my tree.??

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“Here lies the body of Elisha Lunsford” Tombstone inscription in Wayne County, Kentucky

5)  Distant Cousin Category:  This tree has a Sylvia Katherine Lunsford born 1917 in Polk County, AR and died 1986 in Orange County, CA.  She married Marvin Troy Galiger in 1917 in AR.  Her parents were Vince Lunsford (1890 AR – 1989 OK) and Cuie Ella Chambers (1894 -1986).  Vince’s parents were David L Lunsford (1844 AR – 1918 AR) and Texas Boyston (1852-1928).  David’s parents were James Inman Simon Lunsford (1811 IL – 1880 AR) and Eliza Gilman ((1816-1860).  James’ parents were Jonathan Lunsford (1788 Wilkes Co, NC – 1865 IN) and wife Elizabeth.  Jonathan’s parents were John “Jack” Lunsford (1760 VR -1820 Wilkes Co, VR) and wife Milly.  John’s parents were William Lunsford (1739 Granville Co, NC – abt 1810 Wilkes Co, NC) and Rebecca (Basye?). William’s parents were John Lunsford and Mary Wingate.  Once again back to the same names. By the way…Sylvia Katherine Lunsford/Galiger is listed in my tree as my 5th cousin.??

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Vince Lunsford.  My 4th Cousin 1x removed. Son of David Lunsford and Texas Boydston.

I will do five more DNA connections as time permits.

 

Who is William Phelps…Witness to Charles Stice’s Will?

Please do your own research and do not assume my information is correct.  I will try to update as I learn more about the Albemarle Phelps and the confusing Webb family.

Update:  Ancestry.com has linked my DNA to this William Phelps…somehow I am blood related to them.  This shows that all of us are missing a connection higher up in our trees.  It could even be in England that Ezekiel Phelps’ and the ancestor of this William Phelps were related.  Someday it will be figured out…meanwhile we speculate!!

Keeping in mind:

Our Ezekiel Phelps line is DNA tested to come from the Maryland branch of Phelps through male Y-chromosome. Recently, (if I’m understanding correctly), it has been noted on some DNA testing that there may be a family connection between us (the Maryland branch) and the Albemarle County, Virginia, Felps/Phelps.  I can’t understand all of it, but check it out for yourselves. See:  https://sites.google.com/site/archivedydnaphelpsgenealogies/06-three-phelps-felps-lines-with-relevant-ydna-matches

I have found some information concerning William Phelps , witness on the Will of Charles Stice in Warren County, Kentucky in 1801. I think that William’s direct relatives may have emigrated to Howard County, Missouri along with the Stice Family…leaving Kentucky for Missouri about the same time. This group of Phelps may not be directly (but indirectly) related to Ezekiel Phelps (who married Charles Stice‘s granddaughter, Malinda Stice).  I’m hoping this blog post may at least begin to clarify this.  First, let’s review the Stice Emigrant.

Charles Stice, the emigrant:  (my 5th great grandfather)was born abt 1745 and came to America on the “Nancy” in 1754 (age abt 9)…at the Port of Philadelphia. He died in 1801 in Warren County, Kentucky, after living more than 30 years in North Carolina.  He left a Will which was witnessed by a William Phelps.  Since the Stice and Phelps families were neighbors and intermarried into each others clans in Missouri it would be of value to know who this William Phelps was and if he is related to us.  Was he kin to Ezekiel Phelps who married Malinda Stice in Missouri, the granddaughter of Charles Stice?  Does he tie in somehow with our Maryland Felps/Phelps’ DNA? More importantly, will knowing more about this William Phelps, help us to find Ezekiel’s parentage?

Besides William Phelps, there was another witness to Charles Stice‘s Will…Philip Jones. He brings some interesting connections to the forefront….

The Jones/ Webb Families and their history with the Phelps Family of Albemarle County, Virginia:

Philip F Jones’ wife , Nancy (Webb) Jones, was born abt 1758 in North Carolina to Martin Webb Sr and Nancy (Phelps).  Yes….you read me correctly….her mother was Nancy “Anny” Phelps. Now, perhaps this is only circumstantial, but don’t you agree that this connection between William Phelps, witness to the Charles Stice Will, and Philip Jones (born abt 1753), another witness to the Will, having a mother-in-law with the maiden name of Phelps is worthy of consideration?  There must be a connection.

Because I have worked for years on adding to my family tree all the indirect relations possible (hence the name of this blog “indirectly connected”)…I think it’s important to note that Ancestry.Com states that the Webb/Phelps family are my cousins through the Stice family. Philip and Nancy (Webb) Jones had a grandson named Wiley Jones who married Ruthie Stice in 1826 in Edmonson County, Kentucky.  Ruthie is the granddaughter of the emigrant Charles Stice.  So this Jones/Webb/Phelps family is already indirectly related to us, since Ezekiel Phelps married Charles Stice‘s granddaughter, Malinda Stice in Missouri.

Also…the Webb family in general is connected to my tree through the Wainscott’s. The emigrant, Charles Stice, had a son, Peter James Stice,  who married 1st), Charlotte Wainscott in Kentucky in 1807. One of her family, Thornton Emmit Wainscott married Daniel Boone‘s granddaughter, Rebecca (Boone), and the Boone and Webb families go even farther back to when Daniel Boone’s Aunt Mary (Boone) married John Harrod Webb in 1720 in Berks, Pennsylvania.  It appears that the Boone, Wainscott and Stice families all lived at one time in Pennsylvania.  The Boones are in my family tree because they are related to the Wainscott’s.

The Charles Stice family eventually moved to Rowan County, NC  some time in the 1760’s, where some of their children were born.  I wonder if while residing there, the Emigrant, Charles Stice, became acquainted with Aventon Phelps b 1711, who also lived in Rowan County during this time? (By the way… Aventon is of the Maryland Felps/Phelps line as is Ezekiel). After a few years in Rowan County, Charles Stice moved his family to Rutherford County, North Carolina, where I find no Phelps connections at all.  They left Rutherford County in abt 1799/1800 for Kentucky and in 1801 the Emigrant Charles Stice died in Warren County.

Was this William Phelps the father of Nancy (Phelps) Webb?  Findagrave states that her father was William Phelps, Sr, born abt 1725 in Bedford County, VR and died in 1814 in Butler County, Kentucky, (which borders Warren County).  I believe it is most likely that, the witness to Charles Stice‘s Will in 1801 was Nancy (Phelps) Webb‘s father, however,  William Phelps is a Sr, and his son William Jr also lived in the area at the time. In fact in 1810 William Sr and Jr are living next door to each other in Grayson County, Kentucky (which is close to Warren County). Whether it is Sr or Jr who actually witnessed Charles Stice’s Will is really irrelevant right now…for it is their lineage we are interested in.

This information can be found on Findagrave for all who desire further research, and draw their own conclusions.  Be aware however, that the Findagrave informants have confused Nancy Phelps who married Martin Webb with her mother Nancy (Nail) Phelps.  It has Nancy Nail being both the spouse and daughter of William Phelps.

From Findagrave:  Who was Nancy “Anny” (Phelps) Jones?  Findagrave information states that she was the daughter of William Phelps, Sr b 1725 in Virginia, and Nancy (Nail).  

Findagrave also states that the parents of this William Phelps, Sr, was John Phelps, Sr (born 1683 in Maryland…and died 1746 in Goochland County, Virginia), and Martha Talbot. Martha’s father’s Will in 1713 in Baltimore County, Maryland, mentions a JohnPattison“. There is a Thomas Phelps of Albemarle County who died in 1751 who married a “Pattison“, more specifically an Elizabeth Pattison in Baltimore, Maryland in 1724. This shows probable connection. Continue reading to find out more about “Pattison“.  (Some are transcribing this surname as “Patterson” today).

According to the information on the photo below:  John Phelps, Sr along with his sons were granted 8,000 acres of land in Henrico, Goochland and Bedford, VA by George II of England. His parents were (according to Findagrave), William Phelps born 1656 in England, and Ann Rachel Gorsuch. He married Martha Margaret Talbot, born 1684 in either Maryland or Virginia.

The following photos are posted on Findagrave by Bonnie and Clyde Deweese

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Below is Martha Margaret (Talbot) Phelps as posted on Findagrave.martha-margaret-talbot

The father of William Phelps born 1656 in England who married Ann Rachel Gorsuch was Thomas Phelps born 1624 England and died 1674 in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. Thomas married Ellinor Howard.  If the Findagrave information is correct, this would be the Phelps Emigrant for the William Phelps, Sr who witnessed the Stice Will.

It looks like this in a nutshell:  the witness to the Charles Stice Will was probably: William Phelps, Sr b 1725 in Virginia…who was supposedly married to Nancy Nail/Neal.  Nancy (Nail) Phelps died at Pitman’s Station, Kentucky during an Indian massacre.

William’s father was supposedly John Phelps, Sr born 1683 in perhaps Maryland or Virginia and who married Martha Margaret Talbot.

John, Sr’s father was William Phelps born abt 1657 in England and who married Ann Rachel Gorsuch.  He died in abt 1748 in Anne Arundel County, Maryland.

William’s parents were Thomas Phelps born 1624 in England and Ellinor Howard. Thomas died in 1674 in Maryland.

Another clue in finding the identity of William Phelps, Sr…..is that Nancy (Phelps) Webb, his daughter, wrote a disposition for her brother John Phelps to receive a Pension for his service during the Revolutionary War.  So we know she had these 2 brothers, one is William Phelps, Jr and the other is John Phelps who served in the Revolutionary War.  Also, I just found this information about John stating he was the older brother of Nicholas Phelps in Nicholas’ Pension Record.  So William Sr’s sons John and Nicholas served in the Revolutionary War.

See:  https://sites.google.com/site/archivedydnaphelpsgenealogies/john-phelps-d-1747-goochland-co

To reiterate: William Phelps, Sr (witness to Peter Stice’s Will) had three known children: 1) a daughter named Nancy (Phelps) Webb (born 1753 in VR and died 1789 in KY), a son (identified as) John Quincy Phelps, (born 1750 in VR and probably died in Kentucky – he applied for Revolutionary War Pension in 1835 in Grayson County, KY), and a son William Phelps, Jr who lived next door to him on the 1810 Federal Census in Grayson County, Kentucky, surname spelled “Felps”.  The Census shows a couple of households away, Philip Jones, William’s son-in-law that married his daughter Nancy.

Findagrave states that William Phelps, Sr might have been a mulatto and that “Collin’s History of Kentucky” lists him as being in the Revolutionary War.  About being a mulatto see the detailed court accounts at:

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=2027&p=surnames.phelps

Findagrave has lots of information on this William Phelps, Sr but more research is needed for verification.  What do you think?  Is this the William Phelps that witnessed Charles Stice’s Will in 1801?   If it is him, according to Findagrave, he was born abt 1725 in  Bedford County, Virginia and died 1814 in Butler County, Kentucky.  He would’ve been abt 75 years old when Charles Stice died in 1801. His parents were supposedly John Phelps, Sr  (1685 Goochland Co. VR-1746 VR) and Martha Margaret (Talbot).

Now let’s focus on the Jones/Webb Family:  Remember that Philip Jones also witnessed Charles Stice Will and his mother-in-law was Nancy “Anny” (Phelps) Webb.

Nancy (Webb) Jones’ Parents:  Martin Webb Sr and Nancy Phelps:  Martin Webb Sr, it appears from Ancestry.com trees, is the son of Merry and Elizabeth Ann (Martin) Webb. Martin was born abt 1740 in Virginia and died 3 Aug 1816 in Warren County, Kentucky.

Martin Webb was in Warren County, Kentucky in 1800, and 1810.

Martin Webb‘s father, Merry Webb, was the son of William Webb and Jane Martin.  (Help!  This Webb family is truly a web…with many “Merry, Martin, etc” for common names…hopefully I have this correct). It goes back to a John and Sarah (Cocke) Webb who also had a son namedWentworth Webb, who witnessed a land transaction in Albemarle County, Virginia for Thomas Phelps…and Thomas Phelps was named as assessor in 1744 to Wentworth Webb‘s Estate. Thanks to this Webb connection... it appears that this family of Thomas Phelps in Albemarle County, VR, was probably related to the William Phelps who witnessed Charles Stice’s Will in 1801.  This Thomas Phelps from Albemarle County, was born abt 1695 and in 1724 supposedly married Elizabeth Pattison in Baltimore, Maryland.  He died abt 1751 in Albemarle County,Virginia, leaving a Will witnessed by Theodoric Webb, thought to be a brother to Wentworth Webb.

*Theory:  I’m thinking that this Albemarle County, VR Thomas Phelps (born 1690-95 in VR and married Elizabeth (Pattison) is the brother to John Phelps, Sr born 1683…and their father was William Phelps the emigrant.

The Phelps in early Howard, Boone and then Scotland County, Missouri appear to come from these Albemarle County Phelps. There is a Thomas Phelps married to Nancy Harvey that lived in Howard County, Missouri.  He was born 1774 in Virginia…then relocated to Madison County, Kentucky and finally settled in Missouri right where the Stice and Wainscott families lived. While researching these Missouri Phelps I always had hopes they would lead me to Maryland and to Ezekiel’s clan…but instead always to Virginia and sometimes even to Albemarle County.  Thus…I could not connect them to Ezekiel, yet felt that it made no sense that they didn’t connect because they had such close ties to the Charles Stice clan.

In my research tree I have two starters from Albemarle or Goochland, Virginia (Albemarle was formed from Goochland). One of these starters is John Phelps born abt 1683 in Maryland and who died in Goochland County, VR on 16 Feb 1746.  Ancestry.com states that I’m remotely related to him through the Webbs and Stice family. The other line is Thomas Phelps born abt 1690 and died in Albemarle County, Virginia in 1751, married to Elizabeth Pattison. I’m so remotely connected to him (at this time)…that it is not worth the time or space to decipher it.

For information:  See:  http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/h/e/Marilyn-A-Phelps/

Martin Webb, Sr born 1737 in St Peter’s Parish, VR and died 1816 Warren County, Kentucky. He married  Nancy “Anny” Phelps.   Nancy’s parents supposedly were: William Phelps, Sr born abt 1725 in Bedford County, VR and died in 1814 in Horsemill, Butler County, Kentucky and Nancy Nail/Neal.  There is alot of confusion over Nancy’s maiden name. However, she was supposedly born abt 1732 in Albemarle County, Virginia and was killed by Indians in 1789 at Pitman’s Station in Green Kentucky.

After all these years of steadfastly adding all of the indirect relatives to my tree, I am beginning to see a clearer picture. Such as, who was where with whom and at the same time…how the families migrated together…and what their life was like, etc.  I doubt my line of Phelps came from such extravagance as the above photos suggest. If Findagrave is correct…William’s ancestors did have some Maryland connections. Most likely when Charles Stice moved from North Carolina to Kentucky he was already acquainted with these Albemarle Phelps.

We also know that when Charles’ son, Peter James Stice got to Missouri and after the death of his wife Charlotte Wainscott…he married a Malinda Phelps (parentage unknown). We also know Peter’s daughter, Malinda Stice married Ezekiel Phelps in 1827 in Ralls County, Missouri.  It seems impossible that Ezekiel was not related to the Phelps in Warren County, Kentucky or Howard/Boone Counties in Missouri…however remotely. Perhaps our only hope for figuring out this puzzle is through DNA.